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 decapitator
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Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:15 pm Post subject: Add: Ockeghem: Missa Mi-Mi by Clerks' Group |
 
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Ockeghem: Missa Mi-Mi - Clerks' Group
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Track List:
Johannes Ockeghem (c.1410-1497)
1. Salve Regina
Missa Mi-Mi
2. Kyrie
3.Gloria
4.Credo
5.Sanctus
6.Benedictus
7.Agnus Dei
Jacob Obrecht
8.Quod chorus vatum/Haec Deum caeli
Antoine Busnois
9.Victimae paschali laudes
Heinrich Isaac
10.Angeli, archangeli
Johannes Ockeghem
11.Alma redemptoris Mater
Playing time: 63' 26"
Wiki: Johannes Ockeghem
Samples:
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Excerpts from the review by Rob C. Wegman, 1994
Musicologists have long agreed that Ockeghem's sacred musical style is best described in negative terms -
that is, by denying it the formal properties that are more obviously present in other composers' scores.
Missa Mi-Mi is a good example: no cantus firmus, little or no imitation, very few cadences,
no clear sectional devisions, little or no textual changes, and so on.
Musicologists have agreed that Ockeghem's 'writing-by-denyal' must somehow have been inspired by
spiritual ideas. His sacred musical style is traditionally regarded as perhaps the most reflective,
inward and spiritual of the 15th century. But how can Ockeghem's apparent avoidance of musical articulation
be consistent with (or explained by) his evident spirituality?
In fact it was almost a commonplace in medieval scholastic philosophy that God himself can only be known
through denial (or alternatively through revelation, as related in the scriptures). That is to say:
all that can be known positively through experience is the world, but God can be known only negatively,
by eliminating characteristics of the world. The medieval cosmos was finite, but God was infinite;
the world was changing, but God was unchanging; the world consisted of many creatures and things,
but God was single and undivided.
Was Ockeghem's music then somehow an expression of what God was thought to be? That seems unlikely:
the Missa Mi-Mi is finite, evolving in a limited span of time, continually changing, and consists of
multitude of (well-arranged) notes. But in the medieval view, of course, the world itself
(with which Mi-Mi shares all these characteristics) was an expression of God. And if music cannot convey
directly what God is, at least it can express something about him in the way he expressed himself in Creation.
The idea had a long pedigree. A key principle of medieval aesthetics was Aristotle's dictum that
'art imitates nature'. Music was seen as a 'higher' art than others in that it could imitate nature
more abstractly, more fundamentally. Where a painter or sculptor had to be content to represent objects
literally as they were, the musician was able to represent their underlying principles of harmony, diversity,
change and compositeness. He was, in fact, able to imitate God's very act of creation, as described in scripture:
God had arranged everything 'with sweeteness', and 'had ordered all things by measure, number and weight'.
Which art but music could represent sweeteness (in tone production and consonance), measure (in rythm),
number (in notes), and weight (in pitch)?
It was another commonplace in medieval philosophy that qualities which existed one and undivided in God
could exist in the world only in a multitude of fragmented ways: in variety. It is no coincidence that
a major music theorist of Ockeghem's time should stress the importance of variety as an aesthetic principle.
Ockeghem perhaps went further than most contemporaries in stepping up this variety to an extreme point.
No musical moment in his works is ever identical to the next: duplication (imitation or repetition) is
rigorously avoided. So, indeed, is everything that might constrain the exuberance of variety in multitudes of
musical details (e.g. cadences, sectional divisions, textual changes). This is the positive message that
modern analysis can only read as negative. |
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 irincou 
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Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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I voted yes to the exuberance of variety!!!
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 beachboy
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 alpha
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Saffron
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Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:59 am Post subject: |
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It will be in the next update
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Votes yea, although it will be here in next update 
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SiriusCreations
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